{"id":3941,"date":"2022-06-29T06:27:34","date_gmt":"2022-06-29T06:27:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/?p=3941"},"modified":"2022-07-13T04:37:21","modified_gmt":"2022-07-13T04:37:21","slug":"upgrading-a-direct-drive-rc-boat-with-gear-reduction","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/?p=3941","title":{"rendered":"RCPRESS techtip: Upgrading a direct drive RC boat with gear reduction"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This example FT011 large scale RC boat was powered by a 775 motor. The problem with 775 is that it is very heavy, and it needs at least 4S to give reasonable performance.\u00a0 Still, from time to time it may be insufficient in handling a direct drive prop.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220619_003758.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-3949\" src=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220619_003758.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"707\" height=\"429\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220619_003758.jpg 707w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220619_003758-300x182.jpg 300w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220619_003758-675x410.jpg 675w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220619_003758-480x291.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 707px) 100vw, 707px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We attempt to change to a gear box system (gear reduction is 3:1) and use a smaller 550 motor instead. We use the original motor mount, but the mount base has to be modified so the motor mount can be located farther away from the shaft hub.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/tGdjObvz_Gw\" title=\"YouTube video player\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_064918.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-3942\" src=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_064918.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1262\" height=\"697\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_064918.jpg 1262w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_064918-300x166.jpg 300w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_064918-1024x566.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_064918-768x424.jpg 768w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_064918-1246x688.jpg 1246w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_064918-675x373.jpg 675w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_064918-480x265.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1262px) 100vw, 1262px\" \/><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_061845.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-3943\" src=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_061845.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"935\" height=\"994\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_061845.jpg 935w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_061845-282x300.jpg 282w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_061845-768x816.jpg 768w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_061845-675x718.jpg 675w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_061845-480x510.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 935px) 100vw, 935px\" \/><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_061821.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-3944\" src=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_061821.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"936\" height=\"912\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_061821.jpg 936w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_061821-300x292.jpg 300w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_061821-768x748.jpg 768w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_061821-675x658.jpg 675w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_061821-480x468.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 936px) 100vw, 936px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>A slightly longer dog bone shaft is being used here.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_071345.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-3947\" src=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_071345.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1260\" height=\"619\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_071345.jpg 1260w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_071345-300x147.jpg 300w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_071345-1024x503.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_071345-768x377.jpg 768w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_071345-1246x612.jpg 1246w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_071345-675x332.jpg 675w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_071345-480x236.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1260px) 100vw, 1260px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>A bigger coil is desirable.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_202924.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-3953\" src=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_202924.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1262\" height=\"662\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_202924.jpg 1262w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_202924-300x157.jpg 300w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_202924-1024x537.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_202924-768x403.jpg 768w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_202924-1246x654.jpg 1246w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_202924-675x354.jpg 675w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_202924-480x252.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1262px) 100vw, 1262px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Now with a water cooled ESC connected, the boat is ready to go.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_232939.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-3954\" src=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_232939.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1262\" height=\"798\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_232939.jpg 1262w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_232939-300x190.jpg 300w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_232939-1024x648.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_232939-768x486.jpg 768w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_232939-1246x788.jpg 1246w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_232939-675x427.jpg 675w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220629_232939-480x304.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1262px) 100vw, 1262px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_094625.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-3957\" src=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_094625.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1262\" height=\"936\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_094625.jpg 1262w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_094625-300x223.jpg 300w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_094625-1024x759.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_094625-768x570.jpg 768w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_094625-1246x924.jpg 1246w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_094625-675x501.jpg 675w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_094625-480x356.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1262px) 100vw, 1262px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The first round of test involves using the stock prop. Seems like the system is not powerful enough to push the boat.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_093132.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-3958\" src=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_093132.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"936\" height=\"1262\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_093132.jpg 936w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_093132-223x300.jpg 223w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_093132-759x1024.jpg 759w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_093132-768x1035.jpg 768w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_093132-675x910.jpg 675w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220630_093132-480x647.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 936px) 100vw, 936px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/FkRe6ar5-r4\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><br \/>\nThere are two possible solutions. We either change the motor pinion to something larger, OR we use a larger prop, which is quicker and easier.<\/p>\n<p>This is a comparison between the stock prop and a much larger one:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220701_105132.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-3969\" src=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220701_105132.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"722\" height=\"1159\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220701_105132.jpg 722w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220701_105132-187x300.jpg 187w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220701_105132-638x1024.jpg 638w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220701_105132-675x1084.jpg 675w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220701_105132-480x771.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 722px) 100vw, 722px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>With a larger prop,\u00a0 we are now seeing acceptable performance level even on 3S. The boat can pick up speed real quick.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ujCpknhOTPM\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/mx-7W7p4DnM\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>The use of gearbox is not without drawback&#8230;.\u00a0 the gearbox itself can be a point of failure. The bearing can fail. So is the gear&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220707_220632-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-4013\" src=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220707_220632-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"936\" height=\"782\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220707_220632-1.jpg 936w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220707_220632-1-300x251.jpg 300w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220707_220632-1-768x642.jpg 768w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220707_220632-1-675x564.jpg 675w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220707_220632-1-480x401.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 936px) 100vw, 936px\" \/><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220707_220504.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-4014\" src=\"http:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220707_220504.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"936\" height=\"1262\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220707_220504.jpg 936w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220707_220504-223x300.jpg 223w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220707_220504-759x1024.jpg 759w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220707_220504-768x1035.jpg 768w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220707_220504-675x910.jpg 675w, https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/IMG_20220707_220504-480x647.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 936px) 100vw, 936px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This example FT011 large scale RC boat was powered by a 775 motor. The problem with 775 is that it is very heavy, and it needs at least 4S to give reasonable performance.\u00a0 Still, from time to time it may be insufficient in handling a direct drive prop. We attempt to change to a gear [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":3947,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[126,85],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3941"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=3941"}],"version-history":[{"count":16,"href":"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3941\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4054,"href":"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3941\/revisions\/4054"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/3947"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=3941"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=3941"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rcpress.com\/wp\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=3941"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}